Double Super Times Pay

4/7/2022by admin
mkl654321

The South Point has very respectable video poker, and a generous player club. They don't get enough credit for it.

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Yes, but 3-5 years ago, their inventory and slot club would have been in the middle of the pack, at best. The VP at South Point is mediocre, but it seems 'good' because the VP almost everywhere else has deteriorated to 'awful'.
The South Point has no +EV machines at all, and the best game you can find is NSUD. There are also Triple Bonus and JOB in fullpay versions. The slot club offers a good-for-Vegas 0.3% cashback. HOWEVER, they have started a policy of CANCELING the players' cards of people who only play their best games. So if you play, say, NSUD only, thus garnering a massive 100.03% return with perfect play, they'll tell you you are no longer welcome (unless you switch to playing Texas Tea).
They also have all but killed multiple point days (and playing only on such days will IMMEDIATELY get you crossed off the mailer list, and your card revoked), they no longer have decent promos, and they have totally cut off non-locals from all promotions and offers (I was told this by the slot club manager when I asked her why I hadn't gotten anything in the mail from them for six months).
The sad part is that the mediocre VP, decent slot club, and overt hostility to anyone who tries not to lose too much actually makes them one of the best places in town to play, when Stations and Coast pay 0.1% slot club points, and only on their bad games, at that. The best play in town remains the Palms, with actual positive EV VP and .25% free play on all machines. They bar +EV players from promos (and for all I know, send plainclothes security guards out to the neighborhoods to slash those players' tires), but at least you can still stretch up to 101% with optimal play there.
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Wizard
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Double Super Times PayYou make some good points. I agree they have a short fuse for advantage players at the South Point. I've heard lots of complaints from such players about points mysteriously vanishing and not the SP not honoring their own deals. A friend of mine took a case to Gaming over a dispute with them over them not honoring an advertised promotion in his case. However, for recreational players, I think it is a good place to play video poker. Agreed, the Palms is one of the best. We should be having this discussion in the South Point thread.
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Wizard
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There is a rule I forgot to factor in. As a reminder, the player has a 1/15 chance of winning a multiplier after the deal, and again after the draw.
In addition, at videopoker.com the rules say, 'The multipler appears randomly an average of 1 in 15 games, awards an average multiplier of 4.01, multiplies the win credit by 2x to 10x, except on a dealt royal flush with 7 credits bet multiplies the credits bet by 20x.'
Would you interpret that to mean:
A) A dealt royal is always multiplied by 20x.
B) A dealt royal has one 1/15 chance of being multiplied by 20x.
C) A dealt royal has two 1/15 chances of being mutliplied by 20x, for a total multiplier of 40X.
D) The player gets a second chance at the mutliplier only if he didn't get it after the deal.
One thing to keep in mind is Gaming regulation 14.2.070:
Quote: TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR GAMING DEVICES AND ON-LINE SLOT SYSTEMS


'14.2.070 Jackpot Odds. If the odds of hitting any advertised jackpot that is offered by a gaming device exceeds 100 million to one, the odds of the advertised jackpot must be prominently displayed on the award glass or video display.'


If the player could hit the multiplier twice after a dealt royal, the odds would be 1 in 146,191,500. So I think we can rule out option C.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
fremont4ever

There is a rule I forgot to factor in. As a reminder, the player has a 1/15 chance of winning a multiplier after the deal, and again after the draw.
In addition, at videopoker.com the rules say, 'The multipler appears randomly an average of 1 in 15 games, awards an average multiplier of 4.01, multiplies the win credit by 2x to 10x, except on a dealt royal flush with 7 credits bet multiplies the credits bet by 20x.'
Would you interpret that to mean:
A) A dealt royal is always multiplied by 20x.
B) A dealt royal has one 1/15 chance of being multiplied by 20x.
C) A dealt royal has two 1/15 chances of being mutliplied by 20x, for a total multiplier of 40X.
D) The player gets a second chance at the mutliplier only if he didn't get it after the deal.


According to the site admin at videopoker.com, it's a combination of (B) and (C) above - TWO shots at the multiplier, and if you get one (any) with a dealt royal, the total multiplier will be 20x. There's some discussion of the subject here.Double Super Times Pay

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I wonder if this was programmed into the actual game in casinos.
Wizard
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According to the site admin at videopoker.com, it's a combination of (B) and (C) above - TWO shots at the multiplier, and if you get one (any) with a dealt royal, the total multiplier will be 20x. There's some discussion of the subject here.
I wonder if this was programmed into the actual game in casinos.


Here is what is said at videopoker.com.
Quote: Webman

Also to clarify something I mentioned yesterday, when dealt a royal flush (win on all lines), if the multiplier is enabled (for any value) it will automatically switch to a 20x multiplier and auto-hold the win.
Not all dealt royals will be multiplied, but the ones that are will all be 20x wins.


So, would you say that the player has a 2/15 chance a 20x multiplier after a dealt royal? Do you know what Webman's qualfications are to know such rules?
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
JerryLogan
Webman is a reactionary figure and only knows how to fix obvious problems once others bring them up. He is hardly an authority on anything involving their game software, and other than occasionally allowing the bad-mouthing of Rob Singer when he says he won't, he's likely on the phone getting answers most of the day.
That thing about South Point 'dropping players' and 'points mysteriously missing' etc. I'd like to see one solid piece of evidence that any of that has really happened other than vp forum lore or an extension thereof. I too have 2 friends, one in LV and one from LA, who have made the same claims to me. But whenever I've asked for proof or if they'd take me to the slot club with them to see if I could help in any way or to see for myself, they've always swept it under the rug.
What I don't like about SP is its warehouse-like atmosphere. The M has much more personality and the machines are ultra-modern. A player can win or lose on any machine and it doesn't have to be full-pay. I've played the 5-play 9/7 TDBP machines with multipliers, gas cards, spectacular gift-giving and a whole lot more, and I lost $5000 & $6000 in two visits. I hit some big winners while doing so. I guess this is where 'It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether you had a good bet.' comes into play. :)
Wizard
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That thing about South Point 'dropping players' and 'points mysteriously missing' etc. I'd like to see one solid piece of evidence that any of that has really happened other than vp forum lore or an extension thereof.


I can't give out a name, but a friend of mine felt so strongly about being wronged at the South Point that he filed a complaint with the Gaming Control Board. Otherwise, it is second and third hand stories. The consensus seems to be that it is advisable to play on non-multiplier days sometimes to not set off red flags, perhaps mixing in some play on the reeled slots.
It was a while ago, but as I recall my experience there is I used to play the NSUD on double-point days, and got good mailers too. However, the mailers suddenly stopped, despite the fact that I played there hard at least once a month. My points seemed unscathed.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
goldendave
I was playing Double Super Times Pay on videopoker.com, and I was playing the 10-Play Triple Double Bonus version. On the first day playing it, I was dealt Ace w/the Kicker with a Super Times Pay multiplier present. I thought it was weird to see whatever the multiplier was (I can't remember) change to '20x', float to the left side of the screen, and then see my Aces w/Kicker hand revealed. I believe I actually had to hold the five cards and draw (I don't think it automatically held them and paid me my jackpot), and won 800,000 credits. Is their version (videopoker.com) exactly like those found at casinos, and do they use the same RNG? I thought it was strange that I hit that on day one. Also, if playing Double Super Times Pay Triple Double Bonus at the casino, can I expect a dealt Aces w/Kicker with any Super Times Pay multiplier, that it automatically pays 20x like when a Royal Flush is dealt?
boymimbo
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Positive. I was playing exactly what my post describes.
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